How Much Should You Offer The Lender for a Short Sale?

Posted by daved | Articles | Sunday 16 March 2008 5:09 pm

I can’t take it any longer!

Everywhere I read there is a ton of misinformation circulating about short sales. One of my students called today, I’ll call her Lisa (not her real name), and said she was doing a short sale with a bank owned property. If the property was already bank owned or Real Estate Owned (“REO”) the bank has taken it back at the foreclosure auction so a short sale couldn’t be done. When the banks owns the property they can sell it at any price they want and selling it below what the final judgment was is certainly possible, but it is not a short sale. We straightened this out, so we were talking the same language of short sales and following is what happened.

I had Lisa send me the HUD-1 from the Short Sale Package her realtor had put together and had charged the lender $1,500. It probably took the realtor about 1 hour and included just what the lender requested. It also included a 6% commission to this agent, which combined was about $8,640 for the purchase price of $119,000. In the hundreds of short sales I have been involved with, I have never seen a bank accept anything but a 5% or lower realtor commission. So I was immediately suspect that the agent hadn’t done short sales very much – maybe never. The closing agent got in on the deal by up- and over-charging about $4,000 on various items.

I listed what I thought Lisa should not pay and she called the closing agent who reduced the charges by $3,690 immediately. I still wasn’t happy with the charges on the HUD-1 but I really got bent out of shape when the agent called saying the bank called and said they were too busy to get a Broker’s Price Opinion (“BPO”) and Lisa would have to pay for it. The agent back-peddled and said the seller would pay half, but Lisa would have to pay the other half. The real killer was the cost was supposed to be “about” $350! I have never seen a BPO cost over $125 and I have never seen a bank allow the seller or buyer be allowed to pick the agent to do the BPO, because it is the absolute prime spot for fraud.

 

 

I asked to get on the phone in a three-way call to the realtor or closing agent. When the closing agent heard I was on the phone, she immediately said the issue with the BPO had been resolved and Lisa didn’t have to pay anything. What a coincidence! We were told that another realtor did the BPO and it came in at $145,000.

I decided to ask Lisa more about the property and she told me it was a 3/2/1 that was priced at $145,000 and that she was told to offer $119,000 because the agent told her the banks would take that price. Sure the bank would take $119,000 that’s 82% of the amount owed on the property! The bank would have actually taken it down to $94,250 if Lisa had known better.

Here is the biggest secret in the Loss Mitigation industry – the lowest amount a lender can take without “special circumstances” and approval by a committee is 65% of the BPO! Sure the lender would take 82% from Lisa, and they would also have taken 70% without batting an eye Misinformation caused Lisa to offer $119,000 versus $101,500 she thought about offering, or a staggering $17,500 “mistake”, because the realtor didn’t know what she was doing or knew what she was doing.

In all my reading and information I have seen about short sales, the gurus make the lowest price a lender will take a “great mystery” because either they don’t know or they want to do the short sale for their students. You now have an enormously powerful insight into the banks’ inner most thoughts to use when doing your short sales.

I went further with Lisa about the ARV of the property and she said it was in move-in condition and she thought it was worth $150,000. I politely asked her why it hadn’t sold at $145,000 after being on the market for four months. What Lisa told me was all about the condition and how cute the property was – the very reason NOT to buy it because the purchase is now emotional, not good business judgment.

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While Lisa’s case is not unusual, what I learned at a guru’s boot camp truly astonished me. I was asked to attend for no cost and asked to be an information speaker at break-out sessions in exchange for attending at no cost. I agreed to attend, and at the end of one “training session” I asked the guru if he had ever used a tactic that I always use and that is a level above doing a simple short sale. He said, in a whisper, “Of course” that’s all we do, “But I can’t make that into a course and I couldn’t do students’ short sales for them – whether they work or not we get paid”. Well that did it for me, I apologized and left before the next session started.

The method I use is a very effective tactic that overcomes 80% of all the hassle and grief of doing a short sale and gives the buyer tremendous exit strategies besides simply buying the property. So what I decided to do was write one of my “virtual boot camps” about short sales so that investors have a chance to discover how to do short sales properly and more importantly, learn additional exit and “entry” strategies, for example what to do when the seller is uncooperative or another investor has a contract on the property.

I will be in touch with the finished product as soon as I am satisfied with the amount of information it contains.

Dave

P.S. Lenders request various materials in their packages and it’s important to understand why they want what they want because it dramatically affects the seller. If you don’t understand such things as why the lender really needs a financial statement, what happens to the “loan agreement” the seller signs for the bank at closing, and the actual non-value of the hardship letter, you will learn a lot about common misconceptions of doing short sales from my virtual boot camp. With the knowledge you’ll receive you should be able to start your own business doing short sales for other investors making tons of money without investing your own. Stay tuned for another blockbuster!

3 Comments »

  1. Comment by guyte123 — August 9, 2008 @ 3:05 pm

    Hi Dave

    I just purchased your ebook 32 ways to Quickly Stop Foreclosure. Great Stuff.

    I have some questions.

    Do you still do real estate investing?

    Do you short sales for people and buy their properly?

    Or do you do the lease option as a third party after someone has bought the property at short sale then you buy it and lease option it back to the homeowner? I’ve heard that is how lease option works. Is that correct?

    If you do not do the Short Sale or lease option yourself do you have a source of some good honost companies that can help people complete a short sale? Companies that accually do the buying and leasing, etc…?

    I am not sure which way you want those who purchased your ebook to contact you as you said we could on the sales page. So I looked around and found this blog and the email address – Odds2Ends@AOL.com on the http://www.heritagerealtyservicesinc.com/index.html website.

    So I will email this to you also.

    God Bless!

    In Christ

    Guy Te

  2. Comment by OrlandoVal — October 25, 2008 @ 1:45 pm

    Dave is this product finished? And if not can you share the “taactic you always use”?

  3. Comment by TOMMYSURIA — March 22, 2009 @ 7:24 pm

    ARE SHORTSALES BE WORTH THE EFFORT ON MILLION DOLLAR HOMES, EVEN DO THERE IS LESS PEOPLE WITH THE CASH TO BUY THEM?

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